tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post2472298373469103322..comments2024-03-28T03:16:14.104-04:00Comments on Noahpinion: The Omega ManNoah Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09093917601641588575noreply@blogger.comBlogger111125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-65329161314362554182017-10-03T21:13:13.935-04:002017-10-03T21:13:13.935-04:00Just a tip: You're never gonna solve the ince...Just a tip: You're never gonna solve the incel problem by insisting their shortcomings aren't real. It's just gonna make things worse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-23355913809766074042017-02-23T19:15:03.544-05:002017-02-23T19:15:03.544-05:00Maybe it would be better if Omega guys simply take...Maybe it would be better if Omega guys simply take solace in the fact that marriage is the leading cause of divorce. Instead of getting angry, consider all the aggravation you avoid by never getting laid. You avoid getting snared by a lady with sabotaged condoms, child support, lawyer fees, custody battles, and God/Allah/Buddha knows what else. I'm advocating the sour grapes position, of course. Given the reality of divorce, it's the _winners_ who can't get none!<br /><br />The problem is that "game" is something you can't learn. You have it or you don't. It would in fact be easier to change your skin color than to get game. Given the above about divorce, would learning "game" _really_ be worth it even if it was possible? It is not logical to think so. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-73179050813459754102014-11-01T22:14:25.400-04:002014-11-01T22:14:25.400-04:00"Well how can people know what to wish for, h..."Well how can people know what to wish for, hope for, expect, or demand if they've never really tried out various things and discovered what they like??"<br /><br />Simple--we spend $467 billion a year to tell them exactly that!<br /><br />[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AdvertisingTierceletnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-25728644560656299472014-11-01T22:00:42.502-04:002014-11-01T22:00:42.502-04:00Sky, congrats on hopefully being the grounded, san...Sky, congrats on hopefully being the grounded, sane person that you present yourself as here. (I mean that sincerely--what you wrote, if you mean it, reflects a lot of maturity.)<br /><br />The "alpha, beta, omega" thing, when applied to humans, is a crock. It originated in a description of wolves. It turns out it's not even a very good description of wolves--it's only a decent description when they're in captivity in unnatural social structures.<br /><br />The real deciding factor in all of this is the massive sense of entitlement on the part of the soi-disant "omegas." Who they're sleeping with doesn't matter, what their actual status in society is doesn't matter; what matters is that they think they're entitled to much more than they have and they want the world to give it to them, or alternatively, just pay.<br /><br />We have lots of ways to help people who don't feel well adjusted start to get over their exaggerated senses of entitlement--but people mostly have to self-select into therapy, and like everything else nowadays, it's getting pretty crappified.<br /><br />It would be really nice if the entitled young men with leisure time on their hands recognized that there's a lot that actually is really massive injustice in our world and decided to help fight it. The problem is that their entitlement keeps them distracted from actually making a better world--in large part because being engaged in that way would challenge their self-narratives of martyrdom and being put-upon, would require acknowledging the level of privilege that comes with being a young man in a society that valorizes youth and masculinity, and the relative luxury of having time on one's hands.<br /><br />Honestly, more important than them getting laid would be having a healthier way to experience belonging and earned leadership. Ideally a (non-dehumanizing) job, or progressively responsible membership in a community organization. Unfortunately, jobs and community are not things our society has prioritized providing any more, in large part due to those various massive injustices, but the serpent eats its own tail don't ya know...Tierceletnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-35863378030038444272014-11-01T10:25:44.412-04:002014-11-01T10:25:44.412-04:00Ok, first of all, you are not giving enough creden...Ok, first of all, you are not giving enough credence to basic biology. Humans are predators, we kill and eat other animals, and mostly up until this century we were sending young men to fight and die for territory, resources, or an invisible being. Through history, "aggressive young men" was a feature not a bug. <br /><br />Lots of other predators (including dolphins and chimpanzees) engage in random acts of violence. When predatory hardware goes bad, bad shit happens. <br /><br />Second, you seem to think this is a new problem ("angry young men doing aggressive things"). Most of history consists of angry young men doing aggressive things. If it seems more common, its because of two things: One, the internet (do you really thingk rape is 3x more common now than in 1968 - which is what FBI stats imply - or do you thing we are just more willing to admit it happened?).<br /><br />Second, surplus. In 1800 one was too busy trying to survive and plow the fields to have time to harass people on the internet. Now, we generate such an amazing surplus that we have generations of families raised on welfare. Ever notice that these aggressive young men all have one thing in common: Way too much time on their hands? <br /><br />Mostly humans have always been wired this way. It's not a modern problem per se, more like a problem that humans wired this way no longer have an outlet. I am not suggesting we create a war to create an outlet - I am just saying we should stop pretending we can turn alligators into deer. dwbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02799793864068767226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-36129812087909837892014-10-31T14:12:14.873-04:002014-10-31T14:12:14.873-04:00"A lot of young men have not adjusted to the ..."A lot of young men have not adjusted to the fact that part of what makes men attractive to women in the 21st century is men treating women respectfully even when the men get disappointed over and over."<br />vs.<br />"It's simply impossible to be a red-blooded male and buy into that bullsh*t."<br /><br />You are both completely wrong.<br /><br />Someone who's actually nice treats women respectfully *because it's important to treat other people with respect*, because that's what grown-ups and actual nice people do. Their role as potential sexual partners is irrelevant to this. Whether this makes a man attractive to any particular woman is also irrelevant (not to mention indeterminate, since women are shockingly not all the same).<br /><br />I don't go through life being disappointed over and over that every person I treat respectfully doesn't reward me with sex--I mean I treat my dry cleaner with respect...--and I'd have serious concerns about anyone who was. Because basic respect isn't something you should expect to be rewarded for. It's part of your basic obligations as a member of society.<br /><br />Any person who fails to see the merit of treating strangers well despite their shocking refusal to immediately provide rewards, sexual or otherwise, is not a "red-blooded male", but an entitled jerkwad.Tierceletnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-18978398279696429742014-10-30T12:44:02.831-04:002014-10-30T12:44:02.831-04:00I'm not sure it's the latter. I've see...I'm not sure it's the latter. I've seen many women lust after or date crazy, angry, unbalanced men who happen to be good looking and outwardly confident. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-62145010539850610622014-10-30T12:37:55.248-04:002014-10-30T12:37:55.248-04:00From what I recall, he did get laid, but didn'...From what I recall, he did get laid, but didn't enjoy it since he couldn't use his normal tricks and had pretend to be somewhat of a decent human being.<br /><br />It seems like he enjoys playing mindgames with women more than he enjoys actually having sex.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-45737231352226164872014-10-28T14:44:05.262-04:002014-10-28T14:44:05.262-04:00The feminists are a damn union hellbent on destroy...The feminists are a damn union hellbent on destroying America. Or at least that's what I heard on the Reilly factor last night. Not sure if it's true one way or the other. ShaunPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08360992511664194043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-31298652472400817802014-10-28T12:34:10.773-04:002014-10-28T12:34:10.773-04:00You're exactly right a thousand times. Nothing...You're exactly right a thousand times. Nothing is a bigger turn off to a woman than an angry dude with a chip on his shoulder. (Well one of a few things.) You can be confident and attractive without being a prototypical Alpha/Jock/Bro/Whatever. The fact that everyone is arguing with this only proves they have no clue what they are talking about.ShaunPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08360992511664194043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-53428914190819453582014-10-28T12:26:04.132-04:002014-10-28T12:26:04.132-04:00Who has time to watch videos when you're getti...Who has time to watch videos when you're getting laid? Probably dudes who don't get laid, that's who.ShaunPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08360992511664194043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-19865642023120618892014-10-28T12:24:25.285-04:002014-10-28T12:24:25.285-04:00I get laid about every other day and I'm still...I get laid about every other day and I'm still angry. Not shitty married sex, but good sex. That sex right before you get married when the relationship is still fun and new. Someday it will go away. Booze helps in the meantime, but the modern world is increasingly annoying the older I get. Just my anecdotal evidence. Take it or leave it. ShaunPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08360992511664194043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-30534661336773607892014-10-27T07:14:05.218-04:002014-10-27T07:14:05.218-04:00Tangentially, RooshV, who is one of the more repu...Tangentially, RooshV, who is one of the more repugnantly misogynistic PuA types out there and whose comments are a petri dish for all kinds of virulent misogyny including Gamergate, wrote a petulant little tome called "Don't Bang Denmark" detailing how he couldn't get laid there. <br /><br />I haven't read it obviously, just laughed really hard at knowing it exists. But the Internet informs me that his complaint was that Danish women were too independent, didn't see themselves as socially inferior to men or dependent on them, so none of his manipulative/coercive bullshit worked.<br /><br />I'm sure the percentage of women who could so much as touch RooshV's arm without instinctively wiping their hands on their skirt afterwards is low in any culture, but the fact that it was so low in Denmark he couldn't even lie about getting laid is something different. I do think that's (thin, but amusing) evidence of a different, much healthier sexual culture. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-42441293480402777082014-10-24T16:24:03.153-04:002014-10-24T16:24:03.153-04:00A vaguely related note is that I believe gamers ha...A vaguely related note is that I believe gamers have a somewhat legitimate beef with being marginalized right now, though they're using that as an enabler for obscenely uncool and disturbing behavior. In a culture that's co-opted the term "nerd", we still abhor and shun the truly awkward loser types. That doesn't help.Some Jerkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00734903095217215259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-41716332969135113062014-10-24T16:20:24.378-04:002014-10-24T16:20:24.378-04:00Granted I'm every bit the amateur sociologist ...Granted I'm every bit the amateur sociologist you are... a minor in psych, but that falls into my own criticism of Knowledge - Mileage = Bullshit... but I've observed something living in Los Angeles. I think this may apply to larger, more wealth-oriented cities, but:<br /><br />I want to believe there's a lot of sex and fun and equal access to really cool shit for everybody, but I don't think that's the case here. Our environment dictates expectations to a certain degree, and maybe online dating skews the view but it really seems an overwhelming number of people are targeting about 1% of the population as their only source of dating material; over 6'0", "successful", and fit. And maybe I'm a suspicious bastard, but I feel that's not "Capable fit" but more "Worked the hell out of the glamour muscles" fit.<br /><br />Man, I'm well enough in the head that those people don't count for my own purposes, but around here, from pollable sources, they are overwhelming.<br /><br />Here's why I think this is a problem. As a man, a potential omega male, you could take this as a reflective sign of what's wrong with your own expectations (the imperial you, not you in particular). What kind of cheap sediment has formed up in the brains of people promised beautiful people under every rock and pillow by television and film. You could say "Hey, that's the same idiotic tripe I ascribe to when I'm looking for a mate, some balloon-breasted quip machine!" It could be something of a learning experience in the proper context.<br /><br />Mostly, if GamerGate and the MRAs are any indication, you just use it as final proof that women are vapid demons hell-bent on draining the bank accounts of the genetically blessed.<br /><br />People will intellectualize a trail of logic to the most poisonous beliefs they have, go with media sources that provide their bias with confirmation, and do whatever it takes to stay comfortable in what they know because change is legitimately terrifying to most people. Most people can't embrace how wonderful being wrong is.<br /><br />So we shouldn't destroy people or even seek to censor them. We should destroy their expectations, prejudices, and comfort. We should welcome them back to the human race they're shunning large portions of.<br /><br />As an end note, Noah; digging the fact that you're humanizing such groups by personality attributes. My big gripe with the anti-GG crowd right now is that they keep repeating the mantra of the GGer as a bunch of white males. It's easier. It also makes me check out instantly when reading.Some Jerkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00734903095217215259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-21287360467252818802014-10-24T10:41:51.955-04:002014-10-24T10:41:51.955-04:00Very good points all, as sensible and successfully...Very good points all, as sensible and successfully married men will agree. This is the main reason for my second-most-useful piece of advice to prospective husbands: "Find out what she likes, and do it as much as she can stand." As 'Skyrider' (James Bullock) so memorably puts it "It works for me; you can make it work for you."JohnRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-20364179827237342182014-10-24T10:33:49.083-04:002014-10-24T10:33:49.083-04:00Clearly, not only are you entirely correct, but I ...Clearly, not only are you entirely correct, but I am confident that the data will show unequivocally that the only group which stands out as exceptionally unlikely to commit misogyny and violence towards women is upper-class white males. Well, I hope that this settles that.JohnRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-47846193950766412312014-10-23T17:29:06.036-04:002014-10-23T17:29:06.036-04:00A brief history of GamerGate
https://encyclopedia...A brief history of GamerGate<br /><br />https://encyclopediadramatica.se/GamergateAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-20333062202146375892014-10-23T01:52:35.517-04:002014-10-23T01:52:35.517-04:00So it looks like what the loyal readers of the blo...So it looks like what the loyal readers of the blog can take away from all this is an agreement that Jews are a problem. The mention of the so-called GamerGate and a cursory look around it shows that Jewish males are disproportionately likely to cause these problems in America and there is even a history of past scandals among famous Jews such as Ezra Klein making rape threats over Twitter.<br /><br />As Noah mentions much of the overall picture is speculative, though there is potential here to put on your "economist's hat" and think about how to quantify things. You could maybe try to figure out how much misogyny and violence towards women is committed by, say, African American males in comparison to Jewish males, but again, who has special insight or expertise on matters like that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-71003514990171175852014-10-22T23:58:55.378-04:002014-10-22T23:58:55.378-04:00Congratulations! I read a lot of weird sh*t on th...Congratulations! I read a lot of weird sh*t on the internet, and this is the most fabulously weird stuff I've read in a long time. I'm also amazed at your stamina in posting it over and over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-21038526140519642942014-10-22T21:43:14.955-04:002014-10-22T21:43:14.955-04:00Sounds like someone needs to call the waaahmbulanc...Sounds like someone needs to call the waaahmbulance...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-60401767289225819412014-10-22T16:22:12.107-04:002014-10-22T16:22:12.107-04:00There's so many things wrong here I'll jus...There's so many things wrong here I'll just pick this to point out...You seem to base a lot of your overarching theory on the idea that males naturally compete to the death to suppress rivals reproducing. In fact, fighting to the death in extremely rare in nature, at least among higher mammals. Status competition between males is highly complex and occurs within the context of the species'/groups' social constructs.MaxUtilitynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-61517220340127565692014-10-22T03:53:53.951-04:002014-10-22T03:53:53.951-04:00Quote from Noah: "It seems to me that a big p...Quote from Noah: "It seems to me that a big problem in the world consists of angry young men doing aggressive things. One example of this is terrorism. Another is online intimidation and harassment of women, like we've seen with #GamerGate. Another is random outbursts of violent crime."<br /><br />I suggest that is just one side of the story which I have followed from day 1 literally hours after MundaneMatt was illegally DMCAed by Zoe Quinn. <br /><br />I suggest this <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZJiWPt1NRU" rel="nofollow">video</a> and this <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEMdf8D0lfw" rel="nofollow"> video</a> a representation for the other viewpoint. I.e. SJWs are elitist white women wreckers and professional con artists who who will hijack anything for self-promotion and will attack all critics by damseling internet death threats and rape and other such BS and use the media to this manufactured BS into their own personal social justice "charities". <br /><br />P.S. What proof do you have that a "gamergater" was is source of any practicular threat and do you deny that anti-gamergaters have also been linked to threats and harassment? Septeus7noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-61474082508506575082014-10-22T02:31:26.397-04:002014-10-22T02:31:26.397-04:00So there is an official feminist viewpoint? I thou...So there is an official feminist viewpoint? I thought feminists were conflicted on sex positive feminism versus all "PIV is rape" rad fems It's so confusing. Septeus7noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-15160946749708246942014-10-22T01:04:28.323-04:002014-10-22T01:04:28.323-04:00White knights who spend most of their time promoti...White knights who spend most of their time promoting feminism are people who have had no real relation with women, while misogynists at least had some experience with women.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com