tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post7515791542160494399..comments2024-03-18T07:04:18.975-04:00Comments on Noahpinion: Asian-Americans destroy the "maker/taker" narrativeNoah Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09093917601641588575noreply@blogger.comBlogger107125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-41476239323812640792013-01-09T14:37:15.622-05:002013-01-09T14:37:15.622-05:00I'm Asian-American, and I have to agree on tha...I'm Asian-American, and I have to agree on that point with you. I'll be forever seen as an exotic foreign in the eyes of those so-called "patriotic" conservatives. It's ironic that, if we trace far enough, everyone has come here by boat; except for possibly the Native Americans, and we've treated them like crap. It's ironic that, Chinese Americans were here back in the early construction of the country. <br />How "patriotic" of them that they've decided to exclude every other fragments of America, rather than the (misinformed) "West European White" "ethnic". <br />Even I'm growing frustrating with the Dems, I am far more offended by the Reps. <br />And I don't understand the notion that "Anonymous" before me posted, that Asians have hindrance to get to "Ivy League". The reality is, there are far more great state and non-Ivy universities than just the Ivy League. Smart people don't choose schools for the name, and many poor Asian-American students find these non-Ivy universities to be more welcoming. <br />I was twice accepted to Ivy schools, with fellowship, turned them both down to go to a state university. I'd like to be in a progressive school where they care about public education for America. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-4849685902661312472012-12-09T07:30:58.994-05:002012-12-09T07:30:58.994-05:00Here is a link to a pretty long article I recently...Here is a link to a pretty long article I recently read that raises, I think, quite interesting points about this ethnic relations stuff.<br /><br />http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/<br /><br />What reminded me in the article about this post of yours was the finding that "liberal" (as you call it in your country) ideology seems like a great benefit in getting admission to the elite "Ivy League" universities in your country, which seem to be the way to the political, financial, cultural etc. elite in your country. On the other hand, being racially Asian is found to be a great hindrance to such admission (although the greatest hindrance seems to be being non-Jewish white). This would seem to me like a strong incentive for Asians to pay allegiance to the ideology and culture of "liberalism", as it would significantly increase (or at least not hinder) their chances in the very tough competition that Asians face in such admissions. At the same time, being an ethnic, often recently immigrated minority would not make them have strong ties to the historical ethnic core of your country, whose interests seem to be opposed in many ways by the ideology of "liberalism".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-62773008973682237242012-11-25T23:50:38.577-05:002012-11-25T23:50:38.577-05:00In a society that treats "diversity" as ...In a society that treats "diversity" as holy writ, identifying oneself with an "out" group and expressing alienation (unjustified typically) is to be expected. Voting against the "mainstream" comes naturally from oppositional self-identification.<br /><br />Stated differently, a culture that encourages division rather than assimilation and conformity can only expect everyone outside of the "core" to vote against the "core". <br /><br />Obviously the Democratic party benefits from racial identity politics. Inevitably they will continue to promote it, no matter what the danger to the Republic.Skeptical Economisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04068911900225517137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-15835480311678128272012-11-24T15:22:05.253-05:002012-11-24T15:22:05.253-05:00As a Korean-American, I'd say this analysis is...As a Korean-American, I'd say this analysis is spot on for me.Joung W. Hwanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02978954184186022564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-65659187010385126842012-11-22T18:01:48.218-05:002012-11-22T18:01:48.218-05:00Finally found time to read this....Great post Noah...Finally found time to read this....Great post Noah!TheArmoTraderhttp://jerrykhachoyan.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-49427074863162018742012-11-18T09:26:33.483-05:002012-11-18T09:26:33.483-05:00>Analysis shows that the states that receive mo...>Analysis shows that the states that receive more federal dollars than collected are largely republican.<br /><br />How does that fit in with the "99% of Republicans vote against their economic self-interest" story? I see that a lot from anti-Republicans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-26608282025633601072012-11-18T09:23:51.859-05:002012-11-18T09:23:51.859-05:00>Asians and Jews being relatively better educat...>Asians and Jews being relatively better educated and wealthy and hence well informed must realize that, conservative fantasies aside, the best economic times come when Democrats are in power. The data and anecdotal evidence are both overwhelmingly conclusive on that point.<br /><br />I wonder if that's actually true for Republican-voting areas, Republican-voting demographics, etc... My first impulse is to doubt it. Certainly it should be untrue for Republican-supported industries!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-70237670895793334112012-11-18T08:34:45.386-05:002012-11-18T08:34:45.386-05:00>White (Christian) ethnocentrism is turning eve...>White (Christian) ethnocentrism is turning everyone else against them.<br /><br />"Everyone else turning against" an ethnic group sounds like that very very evil (according to popular culture and propaganda, at least) thing called... racism.<br /><br />And this also sounds like you're implying that there are, in fact, justifiable and/or rational reasons to be racist. An interesting but politically incorrect idea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-3675736210561924422012-11-15T10:10:54.794-05:002012-11-15T10:10:54.794-05:00Aggressive Christian identity politics by the GOP ...Aggressive Christian identity politics by the GOP has alienated many Asian Americans, a population which has grown less Christian since 1990:<br />http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/religion-determines-politics-for-asian-americans/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-23362877267819625822012-11-14T10:39:22.697-05:002012-11-14T10:39:22.697-05:00"There hasn't been a tax increase in a ge..."There hasn't been a tax increase in a generation."<br /><br />Maybe not an income tax increase, but there have been many increases in fuel taxes, tobacco taxes, state and local sales taxes, and so on during that time. This isn't that big a surprise.Mark Kappehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11786644587419895428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-80703231861732349792012-11-13T07:30:49.805-05:002012-11-13T07:30:49.805-05:00Being an achiever doesn't mean that someone is...Being an achiever doesn't mean that someone is motivated by Wall Street gang members dangling class-specific tax cuts tailored to appeal to the acquisitiveness of those who need them least. Next time you're in the financial district look for the gang members on the street corner. They'll be wearing their colors, navy blue or charcoal grey.<br /><br />Every party is a coalition of disparate interests stitched together, but the faction ascendant in the GOP is Wall Street. Wall Street politics thrive on self-interest and upward income redistribution. <br /><br />The GOP has a huge share of takers in its tent. Witness Romney's efforts to reassure the military-industrial complex that his election would mean business as usual, keeping their financial umbilical cord intact even if it kills the body politic. <br /><br />That wing of the GOP is almost entirely comprised of tax units who directly or indirectly get their paychecks from the government. Only arrogance and entitlement keep them from recognizing that the ghost of "socialist" FDR's WPA lives on with every workfare paycheck they take.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-14537124424836377812012-11-12T17:42:01.453-05:002012-11-12T17:42:01.453-05:00Furthermore: It's fairly obvious WHY the white...Furthermore: It's fairly obvious WHY the white-people supply is endogenous. Returns on whiteness are real and easily perceived. So anyone who can plausibly pass as "white," will choose to do so. We see this, in a weird way, in the ridiculous racial categories that emerged in the post-bellum South, with the concepts of "Quadroons," "Octamaroons" and so forth placing meddlesome barriers to entry on whiteness. Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14943136764424893492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-74308560882744067292012-11-12T17:33:53.570-05:002012-11-12T17:33:53.570-05:00Noah is right: the supply of white people is endog...Noah is right: the supply of white people is endogenous. The grandchildren of Mexicans who came here in the 20s still have Spanish names, but now self-identify and are perceived as white. So shall it be for many other children of immigrants. Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14943136764424893492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-39831138072665565672012-11-12T16:18:43.372-05:002012-11-12T16:18:43.372-05:00Well, no one but the hostile white people who alre...Well, no one but the hostile white people who already live there.Malatestanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-88304382459296388832012-11-12T09:45:59.694-05:002012-11-12T09:45:59.694-05:00Tough But Fair.
Tough But Fair.<br /><br />Davydehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15161743272166194930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-1652208575000406112012-11-11T21:25:27.939-05:002012-11-11T21:25:27.939-05:00I have to agree with mattski here. Alex is just ta...I have to agree with mattski here. Alex is just talking a lot of nonsense without any substance. If you remember the debt ceiling discussions before the elections, the Republicans were giving O no room to breath, and both sides decided to punt until after the election. And now that O has won decisively it certainly seems like "competent" move to me in hindsight.<br /><br />As for the previous anonymous - do you really think you're that much smarter (and better read) then the professionals and experts playing high politics right now? I seriously doubt it's as simple as putting out a 300 word statement on the internet. Now I'm not saying that it would be awful but it is far from obviously being the best move. It would certainly limit room to negotiate in an environment where the dems are going to have to allow the republicans to compromise while not looking weak to their constituents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-22683626126921575622012-11-11T18:35:06.653-05:002012-11-11T18:35:06.653-05:00This.This.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-10698929201504852412012-11-11T17:13:19.428-05:002012-11-11T17:13:19.428-05:00This is exactly what I've been saying. How do ...This is exactly what I've been saying. How do you think I feel? I'm Jewish *and* Chinese... Even though I'm rich, married, and regularly attend religious services, my wife is an immigrant, I'm not Christian, nor white, and my family is polyethnic/religious/cultural/linguistic... and we don't feel welcome in the small tent Republican party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-83112096248613458972012-11-11T15:13:39.535-05:002012-11-11T15:13:39.535-05:00AH, classic armchair arrogance trolling. There is ...AH, classic armchair arrogance trolling. There is plenty of specific, reasoned criticism of O from the left. But if you're going to wave a broad brush of "incompetence" at him without considering 'compared to what alternatives?' then you're just wasting everyone's time.mattskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07936264188400397646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-50293185722398608682012-11-11T14:54:52.496-05:002012-11-11T14:54:52.496-05:00No true Nerdsman...No true Nerdsman...mattskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07936264188400397646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-63204107466550109432012-11-11T14:33:12.498-05:002012-11-11T14:33:12.498-05:00I agree on pretty much everything. Money is more a...I agree on pretty much everything. Money is more and more concentrated around SV and the urban area around the Bay. It's kind of surprising that it took this long for them to begin asserting themselves in politics. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-80635221650634143962012-11-11T14:24:40.583-05:002012-11-11T14:24:40.583-05:00FDR also had the votes to end voting on extending ...FDR also had the votes to end voting on extending the debt ceiling, was he incompetent for not doing so? And any number of presidents since? Or was Obama incompetent because he did not recognize what the GOP had recently become?Eric Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17688525347746547529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-59297088002358001692012-11-11T13:53:09.398-05:002012-11-11T13:53:09.398-05:00I see a long rant here, but very little evidence t...I see a long rant here, but very little evidence to contradict anything I said in my post...<br /><br /><i>But then Noah, idiocy explains so much, doesn't it. I am a nerd, and I know many nerds and you are not a nerd. Maybe you don't have the chops for it. Think about renaming your site to something more appropriate like Nerd Wannabe, or Just Can't Quite Make It As A Nerd.</i><br /><br />Sigh. Yet another man of moderate intelligence trying to strap on conventional ideas as an intellectual muscle suit...no one's buying it dude.Noah Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09093917601641588575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-16062550477004777882012-11-11T13:19:41.842-05:002012-11-11T13:19:41.842-05:00You forgot to add the part about enforced Sharia l...You forgot to add the part about enforced Sharia law. K. Thx.Ammianushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00690039871109455190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-85497276605549248712012-11-11T11:50:11.576-05:002012-11-11T11:50:11.576-05:00Noah there's so much wrong with your thinking ...Noah there's so much wrong with your thinking about minority voting patterns. To begin, Jews have historically voted Democratic. Also, Jewish voting patterns revert to community voting patterns once they marry outside the faith (which they do in large numbers). <br /><br />With Asian voting patterns, you're missing an even more obvious explanation. Asians and Jews may share a common cultural experience in America separate from race, and so would be expected to vote similarly. <br /><br />Blacks began shifting away from the Republicans decades before Nixon's 'Southern Strategy' and political historians typically explain this by FDR/Truman opening up Federal employment to blacks. This started when Democrats were the party of race, a clear counter-factual. <br /><br />There's more squish in your thinking. Your 'Republicans are racialists so minorities don't vote for them' theory is so strong you don't have to explain the 3 in the 3/1 pattern but the 1. You need to explain how any Jew/Asian could vote differently from you. Something like self-hatred. In your experience are Jews/Asians who vote differently from you self-haters? Perhaps something else, say idiocy.<br /><br />But then Noah, idiocy explains so much, doesn't it. I am a nerd, and I know many nerds and you are not a nerd. Maybe you don't have the chops for it. Think about renaming your site to something more appropriate like Nerd Wannabe, or Just Can't Quite Make It As A Nerd. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com