tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post1193354003733991908..comments2024-03-28T03:16:14.104-04:00Comments on Noahpinion: The siren song of homogeneityNoah Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09093917601641588575noreply@blogger.comBlogger153125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-22573375044159056302017-07-05T22:16:51.352-04:002017-07-05T22:16:51.352-04:00So you basically admit that a "white ethnosta...So you basically admit that a "white ethnostate" will not work.<br />Great job, Seneder.rw95noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-66999483654748957382017-06-15T02:52:32.911-04:002017-06-15T02:52:32.911-04:00Referring to the subjectivity of whiteness if awfu...Referring to the subjectivity of whiteness if awfully silly really. It proves and provides nothing. It's not even really a "gotcha"<br /><br />I agree with the sentiment at the end that "trust makes homogeneity"<br /><br />Of course it does. High trust peoples can get along. However, people outside of NW Europe and its descendants are rather low trust by comparison. And retain said low trust character even as naturalized immigrants. http://econ.sciences-po.fr/sites/default/files/file/yann%20algan/Inherited%20Trust%20and%20Growth_AER.pdf<br /><br />And the Japanese absolutely do see themselves as Japanese and others as not Japanese. Lots of businesses are Japanese-Only<br /><br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02244029929353554367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-60699623647937262332017-06-01T21:04:30.502-04:002017-06-01T21:04:30.502-04:00See also: Blood-type discrimination in Japan. Peop...See also: Blood-type discrimination in Japan. People will find some way to divide each other.<br /><br />http://www.thedailybeast.com/un-true-blood-japans-weird-taste-for-discrimination-against-type-bsEvanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07304834768654678892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-24968337613666383372017-06-01T10:45:57.139-04:002017-06-01T10:45:57.139-04:00@Anonymonus 5:44PM
So you are predicting that home...@Anonymonus 5:44PM<br />So you are predicting that homes in Metro LA, NYC, DC, Boston and the SF Bay area are going to return to historic norms of affordability after an imminent boom in housing construction? I take it that you are also predicting a large increase in the number of college graduates entering the K-12 teaching profession, and a corresponding increase in terms of the subject matter knowledge of these new teachers? And also a decline in teachers leaving teaching to start new careers (the most consistent finding in studies on teacher effectiveness are that more experienced teachers are more effective than less experienced teachers)? While it is true that a large expansion of the housing supply in coastal metros wouldn't violate the laws of physics, it is a low probability event, so low that it is reasonable to take housing supply in those metros as more or less fixed over say the next 10 years. Likewise for teachers, it wouldn't violate the laws of physics to change things such that teachers entering the profession were better qualified and stayed in the field longer, but again that is a low probability event, although conceivably skilled biased immigration policies would increase competition for opportunities to enter into other professions besides teaching for US citizens, and could thus positively impact the quality of teachers in the US (largely in the same way that limited opportunities for women led talented women to become teachers in an earlier era, whereas today similar women become lawyers, doctors, business executives, scientists, etc.). Also, given these beliefs, what investment positions have you taken? I would assume that you would in some way be shorting REITs, although I am not sure how a belief in increasing teacher effectiveness would translate into an investment strategy. Maybe short private prisons and go long on companies that sell a lot to US consumers, as an increase in teacher effectiveness implies a larger future labor force that is currently priced into the market?<br />Anonymous 4:27Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-77953919650889494272017-05-30T15:18:31.645-04:002017-05-30T15:18:31.645-04:00IQ actually measures what it was originally design...IQ actually measures what it was originally designed to measure pretty well. The problem is, people took the idea and generalized it unfairly. IQ tests were originally designed to predict success at schooling. And they do that pretty well. They were not designed to measure social intelligence, awareness of others, practicality, talents, likability, emotional "intelligence", stability, ambition, ability to follow-through, or anything else we associate with "successful" people -- just ability to do school work. Of course, there are some correlations with these other things, but it's more that people who have many of these traits, including IQ, tend to be more successful, not that this one measure means anything about all the other traits.Kim Cooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18324665648507597899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-18930139663797423482017-05-29T13:56:32.250-04:002017-05-29T13:56:32.250-04:00You need to look at crime statistics. I lived in ...You need to look at crime statistics. I lived in Japan in 1968-1969. Very low crime. And after the earthquake, no looting, no rioting. Of course, no blacks either.<br /><br />And all of the apparent negatives you relate to Japanese directly correlate with the fact that they live in such a densely packed area. They have to try to get some privacy somehow.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-83996090782107636562017-05-27T00:11:26.797-04:002017-05-27T00:11:26.797-04:00I think you've understated the importance of c...I think you've understated the importance of conformity in Japan. Japanese people don't just "follow rules". When they're growing up, they go through a school phase where they're kind of forced to conform. They experience bullying and ostracism and uniforms and meaningless activities. Rather like boot camp. Also later in life, if you don't conform, you stand to lose out on promotions, social inclusion, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-33306979789120770472017-05-26T23:57:45.352-04:002017-05-26T23:57:45.352-04:00I understand what you're saying about Japan, b...I understand what you're saying about Japan, but as someone who lives there and talks about ethnicity with Japanese people, I can say two things:<br /><br />(1) There are differences among Japanese people that Japanese people are aware of but reluctant to talk about. This goes beyond Ainu, Okinawans, Koreans, and burakumin. I don't know precisely, but I've met Japanese people who kind of hem and haw and say, "well, it's difficult but I mean something else..."<br /><br />(2) Japanese people are very good at identifying foreigners. Some Koreans who grow up in Japan can blend in completely, but others can be identified. East Asians who didn't grow up in Japan usually can't pass for Japanese. Even as a foreigner, after living here for a while, I can't define what a "Japanese type" is because, as you point out, there are so many varied features, but when I ask, "hey, do you think that person isn't Japanese," my friends usually agree with me. So you don't have to grow up here to do it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-42070417268360352972017-05-26T16:58:15.393-04:002017-05-26T16:58:15.393-04:00@Sam
If you'd actually read The Selfish Gene, ...@Sam<br />If you'd actually read The Selfish Gene, then you'd know that Dawkins does not speak about human behaviour specifically, but animal. He emphasizes this a few times (as is the standard scientific position) - even though we do have some of our animal genetic programming (especially kin-related), we override much of it with our intellect and culture. If people were governed by animal kin behaviour, we wouldn't have even such small groups as settlements, not to mention cities or nations.<br /><br />We are not a blank slate, but we're just as well not pre-programmed. There is some biological programming, but most of our civilization comes from intellect and nurture. Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09061637660020703317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-9798870199193208462017-05-26T14:33:26.887-04:002017-05-26T14:33:26.887-04:00What the hell is 'Cultural Marxism'? Any M...What the hell is 'Cultural Marxism'? Any Marxist worth their salt will tell you that the culture of any particular moment is an epiphenomenon of the prevailing mode of production. <br /><br />When, come the revolution, you supplant the prevailing mode of production with another mode of production, culture will change, and be changed, in turn, by the newer mode of production.<br /><br />See "A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy" for the details.William F. Glennonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10557342274820875239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-62403390207782290272017-05-25T17:44:18.431-04:002017-05-25T17:44:18.431-04:00Mainly because neither of the things you claim are...Mainly because neither of the things you claim are fixed actually are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-82568969322317578022017-05-18T20:24:47.230-04:002017-05-18T20:24:47.230-04:00"Cultural fundamentals that we all must be in..."Cultural fundamentals that we all must be in agreement with and abide by"<br /><br />By which I assume you refer to:<br /><br />"a culture focused on civil rights, property rights, explicitly limited government, enforceable contracts, religious pluralism and a reasonably transparent and accountable legislate and judicial system"<br /><br />Even IF these were all products of white civilisation, rather than just capitalism (which is an argument for another time) every single moral good you listed is enforced BY LAW in America. This is with the possible exception of "explicitly limited government", though I'd note that America lags behind other white colonial era countries on economic involvement of the state, so maybe it's not a white philosophy but a hyper individualistic capitalist philosophy.<br /><br />Which of these tenets do you think is being legally defied by non-white immigrants into America? <br /><br />Is it possible (alternative hypothesis time) that the countries you're talking about as "white value" utopias just happened to get rich because capitalism works regardless of any of the other philosophical rubs? Because countries like China are doing fine economically without civil rights, religious freedom, limited government, or accountability from governments and courts. Maybe property rights just reign supreme for economic miracles?<br /><br />Now I'm not saying I'm chomping at the bit to go live in a authoritarian capitalist state. Democracy is a moral choice, not an economic one. It just seems to me like you're incorporating values of your choosing to define white ideals, and pointing to success stories where non-capitalist countries became capitalist countries, which is ALWAYS going to be a success story as far as economists are concerned, and has nothing to do with half of your stated tenets.M Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11483154807652803202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-80038173608244547222017-05-18T20:24:02.995-04:002017-05-18T20:24:02.995-04:00"Cultural fundamentals that we all must be in..."Cultural fundamentals that we all must be in agreement with and abide by"<br /><br />By which I assume you refer to:<br /><br />"a culture focused on civil rights, property rights, explicitly limited government, enforceable contracts, religious pluralism and a reasonably transparent and accountable legislate and judicial system"<br /><br />Even IF these were all products of white civilisation, rather than just capitalism (which is an argument for another time) every single moral good you listed is enforced BY LAW in America. This is with the possible exception of "explicitly limited government", though I'd note that America lags behind other white colonial era countries on economic involvement of the state, so maybe it's not a white philosophy but a hyper individualistic capitalist philosophy.<br /><br />Which of these tenets do you think is being legally defied by non-white immigrants into America? <br /><br />Is it possible (alternative hypothesis time) that the countries you're talking about as "white value" utopias just happened to get rich because capitalism works regardless of any of the other philosophical rubs? Because countries like China are doing fine economically without civil rights, religious freedom, limited government, or accountability from governments and courts. Maybe property rights just reign supreme for economic miracles?<br /><br />Now I'm not saying I'm chomping at the bit to go live in a authoritarian capitalist state. Democracy is a moral choice, not an economic one. It just seems to me like you're incorporating values of your choosing to define white ideals, and pointing to success stories where non-capitalist countries became capitalist countries, which is ALWAYS going to be a success story as far as economists are concerned, and has nothing to do with half of your stated tenets.M Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11483154807652803202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-47889261735311842462017-05-18T16:27:36.067-04:002017-05-18T16:27:36.067-04:00How are millions of immigrants and their children ...How are millions of immigrants and their children not part of the housing problem when housing in many metros is essentially fixed in supply? Additionally, given that it is more difficult and resource intensive to educate English language learners, and given that there is a fixed supply of people who are simultaneously qualified to work as teachers, willing to work as teachers, and good at it as well, how is it that immigration doesn't negatively impact the education received by U.S. born citizens?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-80282133764712198582017-05-15T16:55:41.385-04:002017-05-15T16:55:41.385-04:00Not so sure we can achieve the Putnam compromise i...Not so sure we can achieve the Putnam compromise in the US. If you "follow the money", according to Ed Gleaser, race is one of the primary reasons the US cannot have a European style welfare state. He sites many of your sources on cohesion above.<br />https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/glaeser/files/why_doesnt_the_u.s._have_a_european-style_welfare_state.pdf<br /><br />The only thing that seems to unite a group are cohesive events like wars or moon shots. I prefer the later. But I just don't see a middle way in the US. Ever.Brad Rossehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08766200792454611716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-60492908708354584342017-05-13T15:38:56.844-04:002017-05-13T15:38:56.844-04:00Those of us from California have a different exper...Those of us from California have a different experience of the presence of Hispanics. They were here before us northern Europeans. Our place names are mostly Spanish. Maybe they should be more integrated than they are -- but the ones who have been here a long time are mostly. The kids and grandkids of immigrants speak English and many barely speak Spanish. Right now, there are more going back south than coming into the US. It's all very complex. Kim Cooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18324665648507597899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-37332597690845871162017-05-13T14:01:04.022-04:002017-05-13T14:01:04.022-04:00Yep, if I had been advising Europe, I would advise...Yep, if I had been advising Europe, I would advise them to take fewer immigrants than they did. I don't think they can handle it. The reason I think America can handle as many immigrants as we've taken in the recent boom is that we did it multiple times before and it worked out well.Noah Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09093917601641588575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-91544777046542664822017-05-12T06:49:00.522-04:002017-05-12T06:49:00.522-04:00It seems like you're burying a quite important...It seems like you're burying a quite important point deep in the comments here on France, Noah. <br /><br />France took about 0.4% of its population in immigrants in 2015. Sweden is more like 1%. This mostly puts you on the restrictionist/right side of the debate in Europe.<br /><br />It seems a little weak to dodge the Europe question entirely, as this is generally one of the points closest to the hearts of the alt right.<br /><br />Otherwise, liked the article. Nice work!Robnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-89195918799617877212017-05-10T01:13:47.399-04:002017-05-10T01:13:47.399-04:00Indians do have very high success rates of happy w...Indians do have very high success rates of happy win-win immigration success stories to US + Europe, except for the Romani people who are considered Indian. Indians are also in the same Indo-European Aryan ethnic grouping as European whites.<br /><br />I agree with the rest of your comment.<br />Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11409331878538686718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-3027960329404273822017-05-09T01:39:19.629-04:002017-05-09T01:39:19.629-04:00" I think immigration IS uniquely American(US..." I think immigration IS uniquely American(USA!USA!)."<br />An amazing reply to make to a Canadian. Of course that Canadian actually cited two immigrant societies (Argentina and New Zealand) as places white separatists should go to experience ethnic homogeneity!<br />There are several developed countries (including both Canada and NZ) who have a higher immigration intake per capita than the US. derrida deriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01188777386180390172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-27662569793989000982017-05-09T01:21:25.558-04:002017-05-09T01:21:25.558-04:00"So what other options are there [for white s..."So what other options are there [for white separatists]? Move to Argentina, I guess. Or maybe New Zealand."<br /><br />Gee, Noah, both these countries are immigrant societies with arguably greater levels of ethnic diversity than the US. They can never be whitopias, and are even less likely than the US to aspire to be.<br /><br />derrida deriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01188777386180390172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-78369037268962603742017-05-08T15:41:08.585-04:002017-05-08T15:41:08.585-04:00Noah Smith, it seems both you and Trump have advoc...Noah Smith, it seems both you and Trump have advocated for a Canadian style immigration system. You are literally advocating for exactly the same immigration model that Trump is advocating. Immigration, including the premise of selective immigration designed to benefit incumbent residents which you advocate, is easily the idea that has generated the most passioned and hysterical opposition towards Trump. The very thing that is earning the loudest cries of fascism and xenophobia and racism is the very idea that you support completely.<br /><br />Yet, you group Trump and Le Pen with Erdogan and Chavez. If Trump's immigration policy is exactly what you recommend, what specifically is bad about Trump?<br /><br />If I can summarize Trumpism:<br />1) Canadian-style, selective immigration.<br />2) Reasonable traditional US right wing views on free market economics, law, education, health care.<br />3) Rhetorical war on far left control of narrative and political messaging.<br /><br />I can see Le Pen aligned with Trump on #1 and #3 and completely the opposite on #2. I don't see how Chavez and Erdogan tie into any of that.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11409331878538686718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-5970393682429098492017-05-07T12:17:56.122-04:002017-05-07T12:17:56.122-04:00Tarrou, well said.Tarrou, well said.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11409331878538686718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-72206227446068280642017-05-07T12:17:11.946-04:002017-05-07T12:17:11.946-04:00Wow, awesome comment!Wow, awesome comment!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11409331878538686718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-75226509500607492432017-05-07T06:12:28.248-04:002017-05-07T06:12:28.248-04:00The overlap comes from the fact that many New Zeal...The overlap comes from the fact that many New Zealanders identify with multiple ethnicities. A bit over 11% of Kiwis report 2+ ethnicities, and that share has been rising in recent decades: http://nzdotstat.stats.govt.nz/wbos/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=TABLECODE8024<br /><br />It's been 30 years since immigration reform, and over this time New Zealand has generally developed more of a distinct national identity that seems to be inclusive enough to encompass a variety of ethnicities. The statistics on multiple ethnicities seem to suggest that's a daily reality for a lot of people.pnunnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09718627006326507101noreply@blogger.com