tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post644228234888584594..comments2024-03-28T03:16:14.104-04:00Comments on Noahpinion: An American Whitopia would be a dystopiaNoah Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09093917601641588575noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-77953237711973716822017-12-18T19:19:37.683-05:002017-12-18T19:19:37.683-05:00They had no difficulty with it in the past. What a...<i>They had no difficulty with it in the past. What are they going to do now- go to the Caliphate of Sweden?</i><br /><br />Naw man, they'll fight you and whup you.<br /><br /><i>It makes up for it by having zero blacks or hispanics who are net costs on the government.</i><br /><br />DumbassNoah Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09093917601641588575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-23501689533562293632017-12-18T19:18:29.196-05:002017-12-18T19:18:29.196-05:00The US blocked most immigration between 1924-1965....<i>The US blocked most immigration between 1924-1965. Do you have any evidence this made the United States worse off?</i><br /><br />No. But imagine if we had tried to mass-expel all the Italians and Poles and such in 1924. Woulda gone bad.<br /><br /><i>Yes, we know liberals would rather destroy civilization then make difficult decisions. This is a reason to get rid of liberals, not destroy civilization.</i><br /><br />Blah blah blah. It's liberals who make civilization, hoss.<br /><br /><i>No they didn't. The Nazis were hyperfocused on conquering Europe and so allocated their resources towards that objective.</i><br /><br />And did they perform well at that objective? As I recall, they sorta didn't.Noah Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09093917601641588575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-11247553555854602482017-12-18T19:15:13.251-05:002017-12-18T19:15:13.251-05:00Why do people pretend Africa doesn't exist?
W...<i>Why do people pretend Africa doesn't exist?</i><br /><br />What's interesting is that people think of Africa as "multiethnic" because the people there do. In America they'd all just be "black" - i.e., homogeneous. This illustrates that homogeneity is endogenous (now say that ten times fast!).<br />Noah Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09093917601641588575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-83964890955291685632017-12-12T12:17:33.744-05:002017-12-12T12:17:33.744-05:00I doubt that it would be as awful as the author as...I doubt that it would be as awful as the author asserts, but it if were a dystopia, at least it would be our dystopia.Zagghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16942861472665790008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-38029030855171379782017-12-11T17:15:21.142-05:002017-12-11T17:15:21.142-05:00It is called tribalism. Since these people have a ...It is called tribalism. Since these people have a higher TFR then liberals, I'm going to go out on a limb and say it is necessary if you want to have a civilization that sustains itself. Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16876007820488393870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-87134590766622268762017-12-11T17:13:12.126-05:002017-12-11T17:13:12.126-05:00"The more educated and capable white people (..."The more educated and capable white people (scientists, business leaders, and other examples given) wouldn't want to stay in a white ethnostate."<br /><br />They had no difficulty with it in the past. What are they going to do now- go to the Caliphate of Sweden?<br /><br />" That's probably a lot less than half the total US population, and is certainly a subgroup hardly capable of running a successful state."<br /><br />It makes up for it by having zero blacks or hispanics who are net costs on the government. So for all these 'less capable' white individuals, it would be a net increase.Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16876007820488393870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-22305556383602016702017-12-11T17:11:05.611-05:002017-12-11T17:11:05.611-05:00"not quite as good shape as we're in now,..."not quite as good shape as we're in now, but not bad."<br /><br />The US blocked most immigration between 1924-1965. Do you have any evidence this made the United States worse off?<br /><br />"BUT, now, since a bunch of nonwhite people ARE here, they can't be kicked out without turning the country into a nightmare country. "<br /><br />Yes, we know liberals would rather destroy civilization then make difficult decisions. This is a reason to get rid of liberals, not destroy civilization.<br /><br />"Tens of millions starved to death in Mao's famines, the Killing Fields slaughtered 25% of Cambodia's population...it was a madhouse."<br /><br />That is communism. The areas not affected by communism did reasonably well during that time.<br /><br />"Europe, too, was a poor backwater compared to China or Iran during much of the Middle Ages;"<br /><br />Yes, just after the collapse of the Roman Empire. It quickly caught up because agricultural economies tend to have similar per capita incomes. If you mean net income, China is further south and so has higher agricultural productivity.<br /><br />"Nazis did have a few impressive achievements, but overall they underperformed."<br /><br />No they didn't. The Nazis were hyperfocused on conquering Europe and so allocated their resources towards that objective. This made them less capable in other tasks because they were using everything they could to make additional tanks, artillery shells and planes. They spent about 40% of their GDP on the military starting in 1933 and they increased it over time.Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16876007820488393870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-55441647951847728382017-12-11T17:03:32.228-05:002017-12-11T17:03:32.228-05:00"Meh. I think a lot of Trump's backers wa..."Meh. I think a lot of Trump's backers want to take us toward this goal, and it's important to realize that the goal is a bad one."<br /><br />The alt-right is a fringe movement. Most of Trumps backers are the religious right who make up a large portion of the white population.<br /><br />"Ultimately, what evidence do you white supremacists have that it can't? What are some multiethnic democracies that failed? "<br /><br />Why do people pretend Africa doesn't exist?<br /><br />"You can find examples where nations have split apart over language, or religion. But race?"<br /><br />Language and religion are often proxies for race. For example in Northern Ireland the Protestants tend to be Scot-Irish.<br /><br />"But when countries succeed, we paper over the differences - for example, white-nationalists count Norway as a homogenous mono-ethnic success even though it has a bunch of Swedes living in it, so objectively it's really just as "multi-ethnic" as Ukraine. "<br /><br />Or because the relative proportions are different. Japan has a bunch of foreigners living there, but it is in no sense 'multi-ethnic'.Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16876007820488393870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-1325030288922411072017-12-11T16:50:59.383-05:002017-12-11T16:50:59.383-05:00It is my understanding alot of the issues with Ukr...It is my understanding alot of the issues with Ukraine come from the fall of the USSR with Ukraine being the hardest hit of all the SSRs. GDP dropped to 40% and recovered... still hasn't recovered.<br /><br />Also a nuclear power plant exploded making part of the country a literal post-apocalyptic wasteland.Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16876007820488393870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-35699268299486144692017-12-11T07:18:16.154-05:002017-12-11T07:18:16.154-05:00Ta-Nehisi Coates is basically the black version of...Ta-Nehisi Coates is basically the black version of some of the people you read in the HBD blogosphere. Multiple people have compared him to John Derbyshire and I feel like the comparison is apt.<br /><br />Coates obsesses endlessly over race and over white people. Similarly Derbyshire obsesses endlessly over race and over black people. These two are almost too perfect for each other.Yan Shenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06626415549772069331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-29471649539160142732017-12-11T07:11:43.817-05:002017-12-11T07:11:43.817-05:00Well I've certainly encountered a number of pe...Well I've certainly encountered a number of people in the white nationalist movement who pine for an American white ethnostate, but I generally tend to think that this is still a fringe movement and not representative of the mainstream Trump supporter.<br />Most people in that camp are probably against the sort of open borders PC mentality that's become par for the course. Regardless of whether or not immigration benefits or hurts us as Americans, I think it's pretty amazing how normalized the viewpoint has become that somehow it's immoral for a country to favor the well-being of its own citizens or that it has a right to enforce its own immigration policy!<br />I've stated before that given America's unique history, it's hard to argue for it being a white ethnostate, in the same sense that one might more easily argue for racial nationalism for the countries of Europe, Asia, or Africa. And as you've pointed out, certain groups of immigrants, disproportionately those of East Asian or South Asian descent, have flourished in this country. In particular, one can think of Silicon Valley as a tribe of sorts that transcends the sort of narrow racial boundary that white nationalists hold to be foundational.<br />At the same time, I think there’s something to be said for a country being allowed to favor the well-being of its own citizens over those of the rest of the world. I think there’s certainly evidence that highly multicultural countries, in particular those lacking an ethnic majority, are more likely to be at odds among themselves relative to more homogenous countries. If you want any proof of this fact, just look at Japan’s strong sense of ethnic solidarity and community. In America, it seems like all people ever obsess over is race. Blacks, Hispanics, and whites seem to constantly be at each other’s throats in this country, which doesn’t exactly give one faith that somehow we’ll make this all work once blacks and Hispanics become a combined majority in this country some decades down the line.<br />Here’s my politically incorrect take on all of this. Yes, America benefits from selective immigration. But this immigration tends to be disproportionately from a few places in the world, a fact which most liberals like to ignore. America as a country probably can thrive with an ethnic majority and a relatively productive minority filtered for potential to contribute. Most other countries around the world have some form of selective immigration. What I worry about is when this country adopts an open borders mentality that says that somehow we need to let everyone in.Yan Shenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06626415549772069331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-57595450948757223362017-11-21T22:49:31.748-05:002017-11-21T22:49:31.748-05:00Re: Immigrants Do a Great Job at Becoming American...Re: Immigrants Do a Great Job at Becoming Americans @<br />http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.ca/2017/09/an-american-whitopia-would-be-dystopia.html<br /><br />So, Mr. Declinist, <br />How seriously we should take you? On your blog in September, you stated<br />'t's worth noting that Ukraine also has an economy largely based on heavy industry and agriculture - just the kind of economy Trump wants to go back to. So being a homogeneous all-white country with plenty of heavy industry and lots of rich farmland hasn't saved Ukraine from being a dysfunctional, decaying civilization.'<br />http://noahpinionblog.blogs...<br />Meaning heavy industry is me-e-h..passe. Like, who cares?<br /><br />Then on Bloomberg just a few weeks ago, you stated that US economy in now just a shade of Chinese one. Which is based on heavy industry, among others. <br />https://www.bloomberg.com/v...<br />But hey, we still need loads of immigrants! For all the disappearing, low-wage jobs, apparently. And somehow, China doesn't have any!<br /><br />Where's logic, Mr. Smith?<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-70382937097782328232017-09-21T13:30:05.042-04:002017-09-21T13:30:05.042-04:00I thought we already had a Whitopia in America and...I thought we already had a Whitopia in America and its name is Portland. https://www.theroot.com/whitopia-and-the-subliminal-joy-of-target-1790883186 https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/07/racist-history-portland/492035/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-20568695869490213552017-09-14T10:25:56.434-04:002017-09-14T10:25:56.434-04:00Does everyone emphasize ethnic divisions in countr...Does everyone emphasize ethnic divisions in countries that don't function well and paper over them in countries that do function well? This is a genuine question, as I am curious if there is a scholarly literature on this question with more precise definitions of what constitutes a multi-ethnic state. It would seem to me that any state where people identify themselves consistently as members of different ethnicities would count as multi-ethnic, and so the Nordic countries should count as multi-ethnic if they have a bunch of people who speak different languages and identify as part of a different ethnic group. Anyway, the point of learning more about the literature would be to figure out what it is that makes functional multi-ethnic states work, and see if there is anything that could be applied to the U.S.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-80525140752053287702017-09-13T18:31:56.013-04:002017-09-13T18:31:56.013-04:00When countries fail, we tend to emphasize the ethn...When countries fail, we tend to emphasize the ethnic divisions among them. We say that Russian-speaking Ukrainians and Ukrainian-speaking Ukrainians are different ethnicities, etc., even though Americans would call them both "white". But when countries succeed, we paper over the differences - for example, white-nationalists count Norway as a homogenous mono-ethnic success even though it has a bunch of Swedes living in it, so objectively it's really just as "multi-ethnic" as Ukraine. Noah Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09093917601641588575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-87108592638908793372017-09-13T14:45:38.757-04:002017-09-13T14:45:38.757-04:00Would Russia count as a multi-ethnic democracy tha...Would Russia count as a multi-ethnic democracy that failed? Also, Afghanistan is multi-ethnic, has regular elections, and also appears to be a failed state. Does India count as multi-ethnic, and does it count as a success? Pakistan seems less democratic, but it does hold consequential and contested elections from time to time, and I believe that it is also multi-ethnic. The Philippines are potentially another example. I am totally uncertain as to whether or not these examples support the thesis of the OP or not, but did think it might contribute to the thread to list some potential examples of multi-ethnic states with some democratic features that don't function very well. It does seem like common sense that it is very difficult to maintain a democracy without a majoritarian group to hold in place democratic values, and it is certainly possible that ethnic tension might make it more difficult to consistently assemble a majority that supports democratic values. However, that might just be a chicken and egg problem, where multi-ethnic democracies that have broad support for democracy tend not to have a lot of ethnic conflict, and multi-ethnic democracies that don't have broad support for democratic values tend to have more ethnic strife.<br /><br />-PAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-16005452714956516232017-09-12T18:31:29.302-04:002017-09-12T18:31:29.302-04:00It's amazing to me that there are still intell...It's amazing to me that there are still intelligent people out there that take Ta-Nehisi Coates seriously. Every time I read him I quickly feel like I've been tricked into reading The Onion's version of black advancement in America.The Donkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14153840277624094270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-87616317838712381392017-09-12T10:14:30.102-04:002017-09-12T10:14:30.102-04:00I am not sure that the Ukrainian example is the be...I am not sure that the Ukrainian example is the best demonstration of the potential pitfalls of homogenous etho-state. First of all Ukraine is not an ethnically homogenous state, Crimean tartars are also Ukrainians (and pro-European Ukrainians recognize them as such, even the so called far right organizations such as Praviy Sector). <br /><br />On top of that, many Ukrainians are actually ethnically Russians (I know that most people can't tell the difference between Ukrainians and Russians, but if you are from that area you can till the difference with decent accuracy just by looking at a person). Furthermore, ethnic differentiation between Russians and Ukrainians isn't a universal predictor of political affiliation (i.e. many ethnic Russians from Eastern Ukraine actually oppose Russia and support Ukraine in the current conflict). <br /><br />Dysfunction in Urkaine is a product of the soviet legacy mindset and domination from Russia ("Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire." etc), not an outcome of a superficial view of Ukraine as homogenous ethno-state. <br /><br />I also have issues with the casual statement implying that is Ukraine a drug den. Ukraine has a lot of extreme problems and I think there are legitimate reasons to call Ukraine a basket case, but let's not pretend as if pre-Trump USA was some sort of heaven. I would argue that in areas such as public safety (e.g. tolerance of warzane style ghettos) or median educational attainment (and social expectations around the value of education), pre-2014 Ukraine outperformed the US. <br /><br />P.S. I am Ukrainian, so of course I am biased. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-19521622486247736592017-09-11T16:17:33.511-04:002017-09-11T16:17:33.511-04:00"Coates is emblematic of a visceral hostility..."Coates is emblematic of a visceral hostility towards a European ethnic majority in any form"<br /><br />That is fundamentally incorrect and I think the fact that you take that away from his writing to almost prove his point frankly.<br /><br />The argument is not that a society with a large majority of a single ethnic group can't be successful, but that relative homogeneity does not guarantee any higher level of success and that the attempt to bring about a return to large majority status for "whites" in the US would in and of itself likely bring about serious cultural and economic disasters.MaxUtilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-56823095135230008892017-09-10T15:20:30.710-04:002017-09-10T15:20:30.710-04:00Outside of fringe extremists like Richard Spenser,...<i>Outside of fringe extremists like Richard Spenser, who seriously envisions a homogeneous white nation in North America? It smacks of a strawman argument</i><br /><br />Meh. I think a lot of Trump's backers want to take us toward this goal, and it's important to realize that the goal is a bad one.<br /><br /><br /><i>Ultimately what evidence do you have that a country can maintain a liberal democracy without a majoritarian ethnic group to hold in place certain values?</i><br /><br />Ultimately, what evidence do you white supremacists have that it <i>can't</i>? What are some multiethnic democracies that failed? Can you find any examples at all? I doubt it. It's just bullshit racist theorizing.<br /><br />You can find examples where nations have split apart over language, or religion. But race?<br /><br /><br /><i>I think non-whites broadly assimilated to Western Enlightenment values, like myself</i><br /><br />Hahaha, good joke, white boy. :-)Noah Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09093917601641588575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-60357989533629125402017-09-09T18:57:47.683-04:002017-09-09T18:57:47.683-04:00"Or is your argument that for some reason tha..."Or is your argument that for some reason that, while white Americans in the 1950s were capable of building what one might with some understatement call a non-dystopian society, there was some huge change in 1965 that meant that white Americans could no longer build a functional society"<br /><br />Wow, what a racist statement. Nobody built anything but whites? And what happened in 1965? Civil rights, voting rights? Finally, black Americans were legally allowed to have a role in America and this ends "functional society"?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13142779894405438549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-63880438971784750192017-09-09T18:33:42.199-04:002017-09-09T18:33:42.199-04:00Your argument seems to deliberately conflate ethni...Your argument seems to deliberately conflate ethnic homogeneity with maintaining a mere ethnic majority, whose values define civil society and cultural norms. Outside of fringe extremists like Richard Spenser, who seriously envisions a homogeneous white nation in North America? It smacks of a strawman argument, used to delegitimize skeptics of current immigration policy, including those opposed to normalizing the status of unauthorized migrants. <br /><br />Coates is emblematic of a visceral hostility towards a European ethnic majority in any form (anti-majoritarianism) that raises questions that white liberals, such as yourself, do not seem keen to address. Ultimately what evidence do you have that a country can maintain a liberal democracy without a majoritarian ethnic group to hold in place certain values? <br /><br />The corruption, wealth disparities, illiberal restrictions on personal freedom, especially expression, and general dysfunction in South Asian, African, and Latin American democracies has been poorly engaged by proponents of your worldview in my opinion. The positive examples usually cited are Canada and Switzerland. Those nations have ethnic groups that live in sub-state geographic regions, not widely intermingled multicultural polities. Canada has of course considered splitting apart within my lifetime. Canada's need to appease Quebecois by choosing a disproportionate number of PMs from that province, yspeaks to the sort of 'ethnicy-balancing' necessary to maintain cohesion. <br /><br />Further, ethnic differences between Western Europeans, visibly indistinguishable, are finite compared to the cultural and racial differences now at issue. Belgium is like those two exemplar nations, yet highly dysfunctional on a federal level. Among non-European democracies that at least approach the qualifier 'liberal,' they are all homogenous (Japan, ROC, ROK) or have a dominant majority ethnic group (Botswana -- and I'm being generous in including it). <br /><br />I think non-whites broadly assimilated to Western Enlightenment values, like myself, could in theory do this, but I have no empirical evidence of that, nor am I sanguine about its prospects, given trends in ethnic and religious tribalism among many non-Christians and non-whites, as well as abetment of anti-assimilationism and a generalized hostility to theEnlightenment among many whites on the left. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17568439105406474050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-69318572295528259162017-09-09T15:44:38.020-04:002017-09-09T15:44:38.020-04:00The fact that Ukraine has substantial internal div...The fact that Ukraine has substantial internal divisions despite being almost 100% white actually strengthens the points made in the post. Part of it is based on the fact that the US white population, despite being racially homogenous (like Ukraine) also has important internal divisions, notably educated vs. less-educated. The more educated and capable white people (scientists, business leaders, and other examples given) wouldn't want to stay in a white ethnostate.<br /><br />A US white ethnostate in practice wouldn't be a state of all white Americans -- it would be a state of that subset of white Americans who want or could tolerate an ethnostate. That's probably a lot less than half the total US population, and is certainly a subgroup hardly capable of running a successful state.Infidel753https://www.blogger.com/profile/10965786814334886696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-85085965947073003502017-09-09T02:31:10.219-04:002017-09-09T02:31:10.219-04:00Wow, you spent some time on this one! :-)
Noah, w...Wow, you spent some time on this one! :-)<br /><br /><i>Noah, would you consider America circa 1924-1970---the America that won two World Wars and successfully launched manned lunar landings---to be a “dysfunctional, crappy civilization, sinking into the fetid morass of its own decay”? Because you surely realize that many white nationalists would cite this period, which ended within living memory, when America seemed to be a super-majority (~85%) white nation in perpetuity, as a primary inspiration for their vision of the future?</i><br /><br />No, not at all. It had tons of problems, but for its time it was a very well-functioning civilization.<br /><br />Here's the thing, though. History is path-dependent. You can't get back there from here. If America had blocked all nonwhite immigration from WW2 to now, we'd still be in OK shape...not quite as good shape as we're in now, but not bad.<br /><br />BUT, now, since a bunch of nonwhite people ARE here, they can't be kicked out without turning the country into a nightmare country. (Of course, kicking them out would be evil, but my point is that even if you're a total racist who only cares about the well-being of white Americans, you STILL don't want to try this bullshit).<br /><br />Path dependence, man.<br /><br /><br /><i>Very cute. There’s one country in Northeast Asia that’s as poorly lit at night as almost every country in Africa below the Sahara, so checkmate HBD bigots! </i><br /><br />Keep in mind that for most of the 20th century, China and most of Southeast Asia was also just as poor as Africa, and if anything more hellishly dysfunctional. Tens of millions starved to death in Mao's famines, the Killing Fields slaughtered 25% of Cambodia's population...it was a madhouse.<br /><br />Now the region is doing great.<br /><br />Europe, too, was a poor backwater compared to China or Iran during much of the Middle Ages; a few centuries later, it was rich and advanced and dominating the world.<br /><br />So, shit changes.<br /><br /><br /><i>it makes the claim “Nazi Germany shows what happens to scientific research when you push for an ethno-state!” seem odd</i><br /><br />Nazis did have a few impressive achievements, but overall they underperformed. Smart people don't like living in dystopias. The USSR and the Eastern Bloc were even worse.Noah Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09093917601641588575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17232051.post-60189938950553559692017-09-08T22:59:52.049-04:002017-09-08T22:59:52.049-04:00The arguments in this post are so weird and hyperb...The arguments in this post are so weird and hyperbolic...I feel like Noah really hates people who are white nationalists, so there's some motivated reasoning at work here where nationalists can't just be wrong about things the way Noah thinks some SJWs are wrong about things, they have to be so stupendously wrong that their ideas would completely destroy America in a Biblical hemoclysm or something. Just a bunch of random stuff that stuck out to me:<br /><br />>white nationalist America would be an impoverished, backward hellhole<br /><br />Noah, would you consider America circa 1924-1970---the America that won two World Wars and successfully launched manned lunar landings---to be a “dysfunctional, crappy civilization, sinking into the fetid morass of its own decay”? Because you surely realize that many white nationalists would cite this period, which ended within living memory, when America seemed to be a super-majority (~85%) white nation in perpetuity, as a primary inspiration for their vision of the future? <br /><br />Or is your argument that for some reason that, while white Americans in the 1950s were capable of building what one might with some understatement call a non-dystopian society, there was some huge change in 1965 that meant that white Americans could no longer build a functional society. And thus, white Americans now need endless waves of non-white immigration (e..g from Mexico) to not collapse into anarchy and poverty (as afflicts e.g. Mexico)?<br /><br /><br />>electricity map<br /><br />Very cute. There’s one country in Northeast Asia that’s as poorly lit at night as almost every country in Africa below the Sahara, so checkmate HBD bigots! <br /><br />Obviously, institutions matter. But why are/were some groups of people more capable at designing/copying/maintaining good institutions than others? The (or, a) problem with the Acemoglu, Fukuyama, etc. school of reducing everything to Institutions™ is that it fails to explain why stationary-bandit leaders in regions like SSA and ME/NA don’t just copy what Western countries are doing the way e.g. Singapore under Lee Kuan Yew did. A perspective that incorporates the insights from those scholars as well as from ones like Richard Lynn and Garrett Jones is a much more satisfying guide to the world. (Acemoglu on why almost all of Africa is poor: “it’s...uh...a crazy random happenstance of history. Don’t worry, any day now it’ll change.”) <br /><br />>Nazis and science<br /><br />While obviously the Third Reich’s persecution of Jewish physicists did it no favors, it seems bizarre to cite Nazi Germany as an example of how ethnic nationalism retards scientific progress. Nazi Germany’s scientific achievements include the world’s first jet fighter, massive advances in rocketry that would prove crucial to the Apollo Program, significant production of synthetic fuels, groundbreaking cancer prevention research, etc. National Socialist ideology was generally really big on industrial production and scientific research. I don’t think one has to credit Nazism, as opposed to the skill of German scientists, for these advances or excuse its crimes to any degree because of them, but it makes the claim “Nazi Germany shows what happens to scientific research when you push for an ethno-state!” seem odd. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com